"It's just like a punk rock cliché of a black sheep," starts Preston. "The black sheep of the flock. As we are quite a poppy band we just presented it as a cute little baby lamb on a bright blue background, to make it pop arty and all that. It's just to show that we are essentially a punk rock band with punk rock ethics."

The inlay of the album is quite impressive. A lot of time and effort appears to have gone into that. It is different for each song, photographs, design, the works. Did you have a lot of involvement with that?

It's a question that causes Preston to move quite suddenly in his chair.
"We had a really useless company originally do it for us," he begins. "It turned out that we just had to do it ourselves. They had a picture of Jesus Christ with
a cross on his back with like a Cola-cola tee shirt on or something. Something really obvious. We went along with the idea that we should have a different page for each song because it helps people remember them as different songs. We like that idea rather than have it as an album. The album has got a sort of narrative to it so it's quite good to help the songs stand out individually and have something visual to create more of a picture."

It certainly does appeal; it goes back to what you were saying about being more personal with your fans and constantly giving them things. You have strengthened the essence of the album by making that extra effort which is great. Both young men nod in agreement, though William adds his sentiments.

"If you leave it to someone else to create a vision, a presentation, it clearly is not going to be the same as you exactly imagined because you wrote it. They are just interpreting it as objective people."

"I think stuff like that is so important," adds Preston. "When I am fifty and showing the album to my grandchildren. I would just hate to have some sort of niggling little thing on the album that I wasn't particularly pleased with." >>